I was aware that
at the recent General Synod held in York the Dean of Portsmouth the Very Reverend David
Bindley had asked a question regarding the costs incurred following the fall
out between the Bishop of Winchester and Jersey’s
Dean. I applied for the actual written question and answer and have now
received it. By coincidence it also coincided with leaked details of costs to BBC
Radio Jersey who have kindly made them available to me.
The following is
Rev. Bindley’s question:
“What have been the Episcopal legal costs borne by the
Church Commissioners in relation to the recent discussions between the Diocese
of Winchester and the Channel Islands about safeguarding issues and Episcopal
oversight?”
Mr Andreas Whittam Smith as First Church
Estates Commissioner gave the following answer:
“The Church Commissioners agreed with the diocese of Winchester we would pay
50% of the costs of the Steel investigation and the Gladwin
visitation, both of which relate to safeguarding, though not to Episcopal
oversight. To date this has amounted to about £95,000 including
all professional fees and expenses. Further costs are expected to be
incurred before the Steel report is published and the Gladwin visitation
is concluded. The Commissioners have not paid any costs associated with
the arrangements for Episcopal oversight in the Channel
Islands.”
I seem to recall
that at the outset of the investigations the sum of around £500k was being
banded about as the likely cost, therefore the sum of £95k must have been a
figure plucked from the air or paid at the early stage of proceedings because
they do not in any way relate to the estimated cost or to the figures leaked to
BBC Radio Jersey which are as follows:
Church Commissioner Support to Winchester
Diocese (Matched funding) £195K
Winchester
direct expenditure £200k
Gladwin
Report fees (estimated) £ 50K. Steel Report fees (estimated) £ 50K,
Dean’s
legal fees £150K
Estimated
total £645K
Bishop
Dakin had been invited by Radio Jersey to comment on the figures but he declined, however Bishop Wilmot was
interviewed. He promptly disputed the figures but declined to give the actual
cost which seems self defeating.
The one
thing we can all agree on is that lawyers do not come cheap so to claim that £95,000
covers all professional fees and expenses does raise eyebrows and I am far from
convinced that the £95k will be anywhere near the final total.
It
interesting to note that the Dean’s legal fees are estimated to be £150,000,
which seems to be extortionate, hopefully they are wildly exaggerated but leads
one to ask who should pay for the Dean’s legal fees, particularly as
it was his handling of the abuse complaint which led to the very expensive events that followed.
When
the former Police Chief Graham Power was suspended he received no financial
assistance to challenge the decision or defending the allegations that followed.
I am not advocating that the Dean should be placed in the same position but ask
who is responsible for paying his legal expenses and is there a capping policy
because the system is open to abuse.
I hope that when the final bill is paid a breakdown of the costs will be published because in addition to the legal fees nearly
£400,000 has been spent by Church Commissioner Support to Winchester Diocese (Matched funding £195K) and Winchester direct expenditure (£200k). What
is that expenditure for?
One
also has to ask what have the ordinary Winchester and Jersey members of their
congregations got for their money and will anyone be taken to task for what
seems to be obscene expenditure? Whilst
asking that question there is another, because it appears that as a result
of the “temporary” oversight of Jersey from the Bishop Winchester to the Bishop of Dover it is likely to lead to the ordinary Jersey taxpayers,
many who are not members of the Church of England paying for additional support for the Dean, why?
Last
month Deputy Le Fondre who has yet to ask of HG's welfare lodged another
question in respect of the Dean’s hardship. The question to the Chief Minister was as follows,
Question
In view of
the passing of interim Episcopal oversight from Winchester to Dover announced
by the Dean of Jersey in the Assembly on 13th May 2014, and the recognition by
the Deanery Synod on 3rd June 2014 of the additional administrative burdens
laid upon the Dean in consequence, would the Chief Minister consider
investigating the resources available to the Office of the Dean of Jersey and
consider whether some assistance should be provided to support the Dean in the
performance of his official duties?
Answer
I am content
to consider the resources available to the Office of the Dean of Jersey and whether
some assistance should be provided to support the Dean in his official duties. Although the Office of the Dean of Jersey is
a non-Ministerial States funded body, and no Minister is responsible to the
States Assembly for its administration or funding, given the unique
circumstances, I am content to consider this matter, consult with the Deanery
Synod and make recommendations.
The
answer is interesting because no explanation is given as to what the unique
circumstances are and why the” temporary” transfer should require additional
resources.
At
present the Office of the Dean of Jersey receives £25,900 per annum which if the Budget (page 169) is
approved will rise to £26,100. No explanation is given as to why
that sum is paid or what the expenditure is for. Perhaps Deputy Le Fondre will
ask that question.
At
the outset of the investigation, Bishop Gladwin described the situation as a
mess. 15 months on he might agree that it is now “a very expensive” mess.
Bob,
ReplyDeleteGood research but when Mr Andreas Whittam Smith responds he says,,
“The Church Commissioners agreed with the diocese of Winchester we would pay 50% of the costs of the Steel investigation and the Gladwin visitation, both of which relate to safeguarding, though not to Episcopal oversight. To date this has amounted to about £95,000 including all professional fees and expenses. Further costs are expected to be incurred before the Steel report is published and the Gladwin visitation is concluded.
Is this £95,000 the fifty per cent they have agreed to contribute or the total cost ? to me it reads their fifty percent giving a total cost of £190,000 which they admit is still not the final amount. I take your point about it covering " all fees and expenses " which seems unlikely.
It looks as though the CoE are into the game of questions without answers.
DeleteI have no more proof about the figures leaked to Radio Jersey than those given by Mr Whittam-Smith, but he and Bishop Wilmot had the opportunity of giving the precise details but chose not to.
Therefore is one to presume that the costs are even greater than those now in the public domain?
As a man who works on an objective rather than a hearsay basis, and whom I suggest is trusted by your readership. Do you have in your possession three figures the amount in sterling it costs each parish to fund the Church of Engalnd. The cost in total paid to the diocese by Jersey. How much of the total paid to the diocese has actually come from the congregation ?
ReplyDeleteIt is about time the figures were published as it's the islanders money.
DeleteThe answer is a bit lengthy because of the following. There are 12 Parish Churches and the Ratepayers are responsible for the upkeep of their Church, Rectory, Cemetery and other related costs. I live in Trinity and last year the cost was around £55k which was met from the parish population of just over 3000 including children.
The Bishop of Dover who now has Episcopal care for Jersey requires each CoE congregation to meet the cost of running the Diocese and this year Trinity Church is being ask to raise just over £62k.
As can be read in my blog, the Island’s taxpayers also have to contribute around £26k for the office of the Dean,
I understand that following the split, the Bishop of Dover has got a bit stroppy about how he receives the money from Jersey. Before the split I am told each church sent their dues to Winchester, I understand that the Bishop wants the money in one payment which will mean that the money will have to be sent to a central location in Jersey and when all is received it will go off in one payment.
I have been told that if Jersey is to comply with the Bishop of Dover’s wishes someone will have to be employed to gather all the dues and send them off and that was behind Deputy Le Fondre’s question. If I had any say in the matter I would tell the Bishop where to go and if he was not happy and wants one payment then he should meet that unnecessary cost.
I don’t know what is the total sum that goes to Winchester but apart from the 12 parish churches, Churches like Gouray also have to contribute so Jersey congregations could be paying around half a million pounds for Winchester to squander on pointless investigations.
Thanks for the information, but looking at the figures for Trinity £55k divided by 3000 parishioners, means roughly £18.33 per person therefore Mum and Dad and their two children have to fork out almost £80 for something they may have no interest in.
ReplyDeleteWhen you say running the Diocese, does that mean just the Parish, if it does then why is money sent away. There appears a lot wrong here. Also why a jump of £7k which is an increase of more than 10%.
The Church of England according to another Jersey blog has assets of more than £5.5 billion.
Why are States members not questioning this, even on the grounds of discrimination. There are many religions yet this unwelcome levy goes to just one, and obviously a large proportion gets sent off island ?
Regarding the payment to Dean Bob Key of £26,100 apparently he "is a good bloke" and this is pocket money for him. A states member told me this, but I do not have permission to quote her. I said, since when does the taxpayer grant you permission to pay people large amounts of their money becuase they are good blokes. No answer.
Another nurse does not get employed.
I might not have made it clear.
DeleteThere are 3 separate payments. The first is met by the ordinary ratepayers who pay for the upkeep of the church etc. The second is what is collected from the congregation who attend the church and their offerings go to the UK to pay for the running of the Diocese and paying for the clergy including those in Jersey. The third payment is to the Office of the Dean of Jersey which is a States payment paid by the tax payers. I am not sure why that sum is paid or for how long the grant has been in existence.
What is clear is that even if you are not a member of the CoE you are still liable to pay for its upkeep.
Bob,
ReplyDeleteThe Deanery is being repainted, who pays the cost?
The St Helier Rate payers.
DeleteAs an atheist am I paying toward the Church?
ReplyDeleteIf you are paying rates and taxes you will be.
Delete"I have been told that if Jersey is to comply with the Bishop of Dover’s wishes someone will have to be employed to gather all the dues and send them off and that was behind Deputy Le Fondre’s question. If I had any say in the matter I would tell the Bishop where to go and if he was not happy and wants one payment then he should meet that unnecessary cost."
ReplyDeleteThen simply charge them a realistic admin fee with an element of profit built in as well. That way we can get some money back.
I'm also not a church goer but respect the rights of all others to practice their faith. What I do object to those is not having a choice in the funding (part only I know) of the church of England. If I could trust them to generally do the right thing then I might feel a little better about that, but past history has shown them not to be the people they claim to be. How long before that statement is proved right again!
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