Wednesday, 22 January 2014

Jersey's Dean----- Press Release, No Peace, No Reconciliation, What's New?

The rumour that an arrangement was going to be put in place whilst the impasse between Jersey’s Dean and the Bishop of Winchester was resolved has now been confirmed via the following Press Release issued from Lambeth Palace earlier today.

“The Bishop of Dover, the Rt Revd Trevor Willmott, is to assume interim episcopal oversight of the work of the Church of England in the Channel Islands on behalf of the Archbishop of Canterbury, to whom the Bishop of Winchester, the Rt Revd Tim Dakin, delegated the oversight of the Islands.

The interim arrangement, which has the fullest support of the Bishop of Winchester, will be in place within a matter of weeks. The reports commissioned by the Bishop of Winchester, being conducted by Dame Heather Steel and Bishop John Gladwin in relation to safeguarding issues, will be completed in due course.

The Bishop of Dover is a former Bishop of Basingstoke in the Diocese of Winchester, and therefore has significant knowledge of the Islands. He and the Bishop at Lambeth, the Rt Revd Nigel Stock, undertook a pastoral visit to the Channel Islands in December, during which they met local church leaders and Island authorities from both Deaneries.    

The interim arrangement is also entirely separate from issues to do with the Islands’ formal relationship with the Church of England. The Archbishop intends to appoint a Commission to look at the relationship between the Islands, the Diocese of Winchester and the wider Church of England.”

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It is now 10 months since the saga was first made public; it has been described as a mess where its origins began in the summer of 2008 when an allegation of sexual abuse was unsatisfactorily dealt with by Jersey’s Dean for which he has subsequently apologised. It is hard to estimate what the allegation has cost the Church of England not only to its purse but to its reputation. What is again evident is that the victim known as HG is not mentioned in the Press Release nor any safeguarding issues.

What is unknown is how long the interim arrangement will last and what arrangements are in hand to end the impasse between the Dean and Bishop. What is evident is that after 10 months, the Archbishop has felt it necessary to make an interim arrangement because two of his senior Clergy are unable to resolve their differences.

Church goers are entitled to expect their leaders to set examples and to practice what they preach. However we have two senior clergy who are unable to work together, where is the peace and reconciliation? How can they and fellow clergy espouse the virtues of peace and reconciliation as advanced by the likes of Nelson Mandela when two of its senior clergy are unable to practice what they should be preaching?

The Press Release states that the interim arrangement has the fullest support of the Bishop of Winchester and that the reports he commissioned, the Steel and Gladwin will be completed in due course. It should be recalled that when I met Dame Heather Steel at the end of October she would not see HG on the grounds that her report was almost complete, there was nothing that HG could add to it which she was due to submit to the Bishop at the end of the month. If the report is not complete is it because steps are being taken to interview the Church Warden and HG.

What is also of interest is that not withstanding that former Bishop John Gladwin is investigating the Constitutional relationship, the Archbishop intends to appoint a Commission to look at the relationship between the Islands, the Diocese of Winchester and the wider Church. Has John Gladwin found insurmountable obstacles during his investigation and how much will the Commission cost and who will foot the bill?

Bishop Dakin has circulated a letter to his Clergy in which I am told he has apparently stated that what began as an important safe guarding matter has steadily become complicated by a range of political and legal issues but the safe guarding investigations will continue. It would be interesting to know what investigations are in hand. However what must now be evident to Bishop Dakin is that the short strip of water between Winchester and Jersey is not only hazardous but also shark infested and it must come as a relief that he is being released from an unenviable responsibility. 


78 comments:

  1. The Silly Bishop publicly rushed into criticizing the Deanery, what did he expect, humility and responsibility?

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    1. I am afraid to say that he was unaware of the "Jersey Way."

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  2. He may have rushed in but was it not the Jersey Deanery through its care or lack of a vulnerable women started the problem. There was indeed a problem says the churches Koris report. It also criticised the Dean.

    Better not to have a selective biased viewpoint on a well researched and read blog like Bob's.

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    1. Korris reported on the evidence she had before her and clearly she was unimpressed with a lot of what was going on and what should be happening but was not. Unfortunately the Steel Terms of Reference did not cover many of the safe guarding issues raised by Korris.

      Not sure what you mean by the the selective biased viewpoint.

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    2. someone shooting their mouth off, Bob, I am sure if you felt the comment was inappropriate you would modify it, it's not up to motormouth

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  3. I am not even sure what the comment above means. And I am sure that Bob would agree that all views are welcome, but not someone randomly criticizing another comment and not even making sense themself?

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    1. I am hoping the reader will clarify his/her comment.

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  4. We all know why "has steadily become complicated by a range of political and legal issues" - just one word - Bailhache!

    If only he had not spent a fraction of his time helping to resolve the main issue of HG and her abuser, perhaps it would not be such a big issue, but no, some people appear to enjoy shafting Jersey inetrnationally.

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    1. I have tried to post a link to the report in which Senator Bailhache appeared on Channel TV along with Bruce Willing but the link keeps breaking down. What was evident was that a Channel Island Diocese is on the Agenda.

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  5. Unfortunately, this all seems very straightforward to me.

    A churchwarden in the Jersey jurisdiction took unfair advantage of a vulnerable woman who had entrusted herself to his care. When she complained to the church authorities she was not listened to. When she became more vocal, the Dean complained her to the Jersey police, who arrested her and, heedless of her vulnerability and mild autism, locked her up and mistreated her over two weeks to terrify her and soften her up for a court appearance, where she was badly served by “her” legal team.

    The authorities wanted to deport her but did not have the power to do so. Her legal representative then suggested/signed up to a “voluntary deportation” for three years on her behalf, though the victim didn't really appreciate what was going on. She was then chucked off the island and left more or less destitute in Southampton airport. She has since been largely living outdoors and making sporadic attempts to get some justice from the mainland Winchester diocese of which Jersey has, until now been a part. These attempts have led to further incarceration and maltreatment by the police.

    Now that the three years are up, everybody has started to get very nervous, and the “problem” which was swept under the carpet is now resurfacing in the public domain.

    The Bishop of Winchester, who thought he was the Jersey Dean's boss, suspended the Dean, on foot of an enquiry he had commissioned, only to find that he didn't actually have the power to do so as the Jersey Deanery was constitutionally akin to a separately established church on the island and was, in effect, largely responsible directly to the UK monarch as overall head of the Church of England. So the Bishop had to “reinstate” the Dean and admit he had very little effective power over him. The local church and Jersey administration then loudly proclaimed that the Dean had been “exonerated” and implied that all should now carry on as before.

    Meanwhile, the vulnerable lady victim has taken to blogging, both in current terms and in releasing into the public domain blog posts and correspondence which up to now had been private. They make horrendous reading and constitute a very compelling case for the prosecution.

    For now, the constitutional relationship between the Jersey church and the mainland diocese is unresolved, and all the press release posted above does is to shift the mainland's claim over the Jersey church from one bishop to another.

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    1. Thanks Polo, although it depends on whether case for prosecution that you mention means the diocese prosecuting/persecuting me further for the blog or if it means the church being prosecuted, but I guess this miserable matter will never come to justice. I would offer the blog links here but I don't know how Uncle Bob would feel about that. HG

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    2. Thanks for your summary Polo. Although it seems to be simple the matter is complicated by the victim who has lost confidence in the system. As such it is possible that those responsible for her problems will not be taken to task.

      It is evident with the number of celebrities who are in court at present, the system will work if one is prepared to challenge it, but the resolve must come from the victim. It is action not words that will win the day.

      I am always prepared to consider links to my Blog.

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    3. Not sure I understand all that, I certainly can do no more about the church than write the blog, as I am to exhausted and destroyed by what they have done and in fear of them, literally I cannot see a time when I will be strong enough, able to understand or function enough, or even be able to get any form of legal representation against the church.
      People think I can understand legal things and my rights but basically, that and court and police are indeed beyond my understanding.
      But here are the blogs, thanks Bob, God bless you.

      http://whatreallyhappenedinthechurch.blogspot.co.uk/

      and http://lifeafterthediocese.blogspot.co.uk/

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    4. HG

      I meant the "case for the prosecution" of your tormentors, of course.

      You may not be in a position to take legal action but your blog posts, which as I said make for horrendous reading, are already making a very strong case against the church and civil authorities which may at least mean they will stop pestering you and might even have to put their own houses in order.

      Having read your posts, along with some of those from Uncle Bob, people will see what has been going on and your persecutors will be less able to spin against you.

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    5. @ Bob @ 23:24

      I didn't mean to imply that a solution would be straightforward, only that the situation is very easily understood when you discount the venal spin of the church and the island authorities.

      Trust when lost is very hard to regain and it may be that HG, as she says, is now too exhausted and frightened to take up the cudgel against those who have wronged her. However, her current blog postings should, hopefully, give some of them some sleepless nights.

      I am heartened to see that she is apparently on speaking terms with you again, and possibly even with me. Her predicament would break your heart.

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    6. Excellent summary, Polo. Only thing I can think of which should be added in is the apology of the Dean. (I think the Bishop and the archbishop apologised too.)

      Taken together, the apology and the criticisms expressed in the Korris report make the word "exonerated" sound pretty hollow.

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    7. Polo, in your case I just needed to calm down, would rather calm down than fall out, because your support means a lot to me, was too stressed by the diocese that day, I know everyone means well, but please think when it comes to keeping me safe where I am, after what I experienced in Winchester it is no joke for me, even if I am being hypervigilant. I need to feel safe, hope that makes sense, please everyone, be careful not to leave me vulnerable to the church, especially at this stage in building me a new life, would very much like to talk to you on twitter, Polo? :) can't promise not to be norty, but am not angry :)

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  6. Thanks Bob, for the update and your input last week via NW. Clearly, questions may need to be answered as to why protecting the vulnerable frequently runs aground in legal and political quagmires. A place as beautiful as Jersey and her people deserve better treatment.

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    1. Thanks Leah and well done with your article in Newsweek and I look forward to the follow up.

      It is difficult achieving justice because of the infamous "Jersey way" however if people are prepared to have the resolve to challenge the system and produce the evidence there is light at the end of the tunnel.

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    2. Hi Leah
      Good to see you productive in the mainstream.

      Been a bit of a running battle in the Newsweek comments section.

      Unless I am mistaken, the jersey troll has used the classic Jersey tactic of questioning your mental health and then goes on to remark that it finds Mrs. Shona Pitman [SP] attractive and would "take her out for dinner".
      (Dream on Troll)

      Conversation currently showing as most recent, posted at 9:14am today by "Woody" who suffers some gender confusion as well as an an inability to type what it means.

      Enjoy.

      Shouldn't mock the afflicted.

      H.

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    3. One knows that the argument is lost when a person has to attack the qualities of the other person rather than the points that person is making.

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  7. It would make a great film. J x

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    1. I think it would have to be "A Carry On" film.

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  8. A message for HG: I am so sorry to hear about what you must have been through. I hope you are able to post your links, but if you cannot do so here, I am happy to read them at l.goodman@newsweek.com. Feel free to write anytime. Best regards, LMG

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    1. Thanks Leah, I am a great fan of your work to expose the abuse problems in Jersey.

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  9. Bob,
    I heard your interview with Matthew Price on Radio Jersey this morning. You were right to remind listeners that the Dean, Bishop and Archbishop have all “apologised” to HG and one should remember that the mess that presently exists to purely down to the Dean’s initial failure to deal with HG’s complaint in a competent manner.

    It is not the goal posts that needs moving but the incompetent Dean and Bishop.

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    1. @Daniel

      You are right to refer to the "apologies" and to Korris, biased and incomplete as it is. They add up to showing that the church was in the wrong and behaved badly, to put it mildly.

      Beyond that, the "apologies" don't really amount to much more than a box ticking exercise in an attempt at "going forward". Shower of creeps.

      @Anonymous 10:46

      Your suggestion regarding the Dean and the Bishop are spot on.

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    2. I like how blunt you can be.
      Am I allowed to call them a shower of creeps too? :)

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    3. And I bet I get done under the data protection act and Polo doesn't! :):):) Thanks Uncle Bob! :)

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    4. HG

      I'm afraid it's Uncle Bob who would get done for this.

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    5. Uncle Bob, you wont get done will you? They don't do strong people.
      Polo. if Uncle Bob got in trouble under the data protection because we implied that we knew that they were a shower of creeps, who's fault would it be?
      :( send some chikkin soop, I feel very poorly.

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    6. Hi HG,

      I think that Polo was making a loaded comment / joke about the island's tendency to mis-use Data protection law.

      Bob will not get in trouble for that and could probably offer considerable evidence in support of Polo's assertion :-)

      Don't worry about Bob. He knows what he is doing and knows to tread carefully while he is pushing the boundaries and nudging Jersey towards a fairer and more open, safe and correctly lawful society.

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    7. Jersey ... @ 22:54

      Correct on all counts.

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  10. Well done Rico, an excellent scoop and hopefully Senator Ozouf will be ask to account for his actions at the next States Sitting.

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  11. The matter has progressively shifted from the issue of HG to the legal and constitutional relationship between the Island and the Church. As a general rule most individuals and organisations are reluctant to take responsibility for things that they do not control. It is probable that the Church of England is no different. The Jersey perspective seems to be that they are content to use the Church of England "brand" in the Island but will not submit to the authority of the Church of England hierarchy. Now that this has been brought into focus it is unlikely that the Church will want that situation to continue and it is probable that the various reviews will result in a recommendation that the legal basis of the relationship be changed and the authority of the Bishop be made unambiguous.

    I do not think that "reconciliation" is on the agenda here. I think that it is now about who is in control of what and the momentum of the agenda is with the Church of England.

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    1. Thank you for a very good summary of events and there is little that one can disagree with.

      As usual Jersey wants to have its cake and eat it too. For all intents and purposes the interim arrangement is to give time for another arrangement and to not to allow for reconciliation.

      The "interim arrangement" is down to the pig headiness of the Dean and Bishop who as Church Leaders should have known better and its not surprising that many of the rank and file church goers are fed up with the Church in general as stated by the comment below timed at 1938.

      The Dean and others are already talking up proposals to set up its own arrangement but if they want the Church of England "brand" I don't think the CoE will be in rush to assist them.

      The work of the proposed Commission will be vital and the legal basis of the Dean and the Bishop's authority must be clarified.

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    2. Bob,
      You are too kind, surely you mean "big headed."

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  12. How does one begin to show the shear volume of contempt I have for these 'so called Jersey Christians'. Born and raised in this Island (note the IN and not the ON) I was Christened, confirmed and for many years attended my local church, the same it can be said for my children but not any more for all of us. I now believe I can actually do more out here than in the church, this whole farrago is so very, very typical of THE JERSEY WAY. By that I mean when confronted with a problem which entails admitting wrongdoing and saying (and meaning!) the word sorry the Jersey Way steps in. These so called Christians must be placing ALL their faith in God being able to forgive "All Sinners" but perhaps they should also remember these other words of God '"Vengeance is mine said the Lord". This whole chapter is for all intents and purposes one more paving slab in the road to Independence from the UK...and we all know full well the road to hell was paved with good intentions. God forgive this Islands apathetic people, perhaps when in the fullness of time we are all made to look into our own souls many will see that what we have is a very hollow place indeed.

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    1. Sadly I think you speak for a great number of people who are now very disillusioned with the Church of England.

      It is evident that Church Leaders are more concerned about them selves than the people they are supposed to serve.

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  13. yes, they have not invited me to sit on their couch, how rude of them, is it a comfortable couch? do they have a fish tank?

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  14. Uncle Bob and all bloggers and commenters, thank you for supporting me and giving me a voice, I am truly grateful :)

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  15. Here you go Bob, http://thejerseyway.blogspot.com/2014/01/bob-hill-interview-on-bbc.html

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    1. Thanks for the link above which is my Radio Jersey Interview about the decision for the interim arrangement which was broadcast live last Thursday just after 830am.

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  16. Bob.

    VFC Top Ten most viewed Blog Postings of ALL TIME

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    1. Well done, a very interesting list.

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  17. To the anonymous who submitted a comment about the proposed filming of Crystal Jersey by a producer who received £200K from the Jersey Economic Department.

    I covered this matter in my Blog Soft touch Jersey and the Improbable Knights published on 26th February 2013 and can be read here; <A HREF=" http://bobhilljersey.blogspot.com/2013/02/soft-touch-jersey-and-improbable-knights.html CLICK HERE </A>

    Rico has published your comment but as you have commented on matters about the producer’s character I am going to make a few enquiries before I publish that part of your comment. However in the other part of your comment your raised some interesting points which I will be pleased to answer.

    You are right to say that the producer is in the Island and is busy auditioning young boys and girls. However although the media has covered the auditioning I have not seen any reports of the Stars and other actors being auditioned.

    I would have thought one started with auditioning the Stars first but I am happy to be corrected.

    I don’t want to be a killjoy and I hope that the film does get off the ground but I would be interested to know what other funding the producer has obtained as I am sure that a great more than £200k will be required to complete the film.

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    1. I have had a problem with the link above but can be accessed below thanks to Voice for Children.

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  18. Mr Key has not been in the Island for that long, yet he has now burnt his bridge back to England. Are we, the Jersey tax payers, prepared to look after him in old age?

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    1. I don't think the Dean has burnt his bridges and I don't think there is any reason as to why he cannot return and retire in England.

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    2. Missionary Impossible26 January 2014 at 21:16

      Soon ?

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  19. maybe they are arguing about hi s pension?

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  20. If the concerned parent would like to contact me, I would be pleased to share some at present confidential information.

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    1. I posted the comment which was not published
      (Bob is a good man and I respect his decision -though I may publish elsewhere after further thought)
      If it is of any reassurance to 'concerned parent', the issue was the safety of money not the safety of children.

      You are right to be careful as the media does seem to be rife with 'lovies' and worse.

      No one should be paranoid but there is a lot of it about.
      The TJW recording was disturbing and interesting in many ways:
      http://thejerseyway.blogspot.com/2014/01/is-jersey-next-rochdale.html

      featuring Matthew Price tries to the multiple-suspension-maintaining Home Affairs Minister Le Marquand.

      Both men appeared uncharacteristically concerned about child sex abuse -GENUINELY concerned !

      Q. What has changed in Jersey to being about the transformation of these two men?

      A. Nothing. The difference was that this could have affected THEIR children, not just a disadvantaged or neglected child, or an orphan.

      Given everything that has happened, and their parts in it, it was was just heartwarming to listen to.
      Christians! ..... sigh .....

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    2. Thanks for the Comment, I did not want to publish the part of the comment which concerns the Producers background because I wanted to check things before publishing a response.

      I emailed the Minister and his Chief Officer with a number of questions on Sunday but have not received a reply. I do have two concerns, one the financial which I covered in an earlier Blog and that of safety and parents are right to raise the issue.

      From the information I have to hand, it is evident that the money has been given and we hope that it will turn out to be money well spent. However the jury is certainly still out.

      Re the child safety I am informed that there is no reason to be concerned at this stage re the auditions, however it is still to be seen what safety will be provided when filming.

      Tony the Prof has just published a Blog on the matter and is well worth a read. Please see here.CLICK HERE

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  21. Bob, what did you make of Bob Key's interview with Matthew Price yesterday? I found it upsettingly self congratulatory as was the letter read in Island C of E churches yesterday.



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    1. Any chance of a link, anyone? Can't find it on the BBC Player.

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    2. I have asked The Jersey Way if its possible to produce a link for readers.

      I did hear the interview and was surprised to hear the Dean say that the split was not due to his problems with the Bishop.

      The interview was very much centred around the Dean and the hardship he had endured and that all was going to be OK because God was with him. There was no mention of the hardship endured by HG.

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    3. Thanks Bob.

      Unless it were to distress her too much, these people should be constantly reminded of the despicable way HG was, and is still being, treated.

      No doubt they are more comfortable dealing with power politics and "constitutional" issues than with facing up to their own lack of human compassion.

      Jesus wept.

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    4. The Jersey Way has kindly provided a link which can be found at the top right hand side of the Blog or HERE CLICK HERE

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    5. Thanks Bob & TJW.

      Unmissable.

      A careful listen says it all. Hubris, schadenfreude, contempt and much more.

      As you have already said: HG, who?

      I'll stop before I throw up.

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  22. Save our Ronez Point!31 January 2014 at 10:03

    The karters are trying to steal Ronez Point again - see JEP p13 23-1-14.

    Not all that long ago there was public protest about the kart club trying to seize public land for their own use, extinguishing a much loved and widely used main road with the best views on the north coast. After a meeting in St. John's parish hall, it appeared that the club had got the message and withdrawn their takeover attempt.

    All of a sudden out of nowhere we now read in the JEP of an attempted fait accompli, a headline "Karters on track for a home of their own" - as the Royal Court is set to decide the matter on 25th February! This is being railroaded through by Asst Treasury Minister Eddie Noel, supported by Senator Sarah Fergusson who asked a question about this in the States. If it wasn't for her question and the JEP report, the public wouldn't even know about this attempt to steal our land! St. John Constable Phil Rondel seems quite happy to allow this if his parishioners agree, but it appears that the rest of us islanders cannot have any say in the matter! The road will be officially extinguished and we will lose the right to enjoy the magnificent views from the fine vantage point, unless the people act now to save Ronez Point before it's too late!

    Will somebody PLEASE protect our public land from these selfish landgrabbers?

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    1. The Karters do have a case as far as the States is concerned as a promise was given that an alternative site would be found when they were moved from Les Quennevais to allow for the new estate to be constructed some years ago..

      They were temporarily "housed" at Ronez whilst steps were found to relocate. Unfortunately because of the noise problem, Karters are considered to be a bad neighbour so one can understand why there have been relocation problems.

      I am not up to date re the situation but if the problem really affects you it might be advantageous to establish a body for like minded persons who might be able to raise awareness.

      In the first instance it might be advisable to contact a States Member for help and advice.

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    2. Save our Ronez Point!2 February 2014 at 11:18

      The karters already get to use the road when they need it, I don't believe they have a right to it full time and thus deny the rest of us our road!
      It makes me feel so helpless. I already attended a meeting at the parish hall the last time this came up, and I hoped that was the end of the matter when they appeared to get the message and all went quiet.

      It seems that you can do anything you like in Jersey with enough patience - just keep on and on until you wear down the opposition! Is it any wonder so many people have given up on politics? The bullies get their own way in the end because we're all too tired to fight. All I can do is make this plea for common sense on the blogs and hope that someone with some clout will take up the cause.

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    3. I am afraid to say but I doubt whether any States Member will take up your cause but if you are looking for some one with clout then you should drop a line to Senator Bailhache who has a Island mandate.

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    4. If it's got anything to do with land grabbing Philip Bailhache is your man!

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  23. I agree with save the Ronez commentator. Everyone within reason should be given a chance to enjoy their sport like beach racing, organised cycle racing, the car rally etc.

    As the Kart Club also enjoy the closed off roads for their races why on earth do they need to " own " them. Imagine if the Five Mile Road was made a racing only beach not for use by the public.

    This is completely wrong but the decision to allow use on set dates was the correct one. This latest close down and ban the public traffic completely, from this beautiful part of the island is outrageous.

    Boatyboy.

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    1. As mentioned above I don't know what the court case is about or indeed why the matter is in court anyway, but I am pretty sure that those who fought to ensure that Plemont was not lost to the public would not like to see the Ronez Ring Road taken from the public.

      It appears that there sharing arrangement has been a reasonable compromise and if the application is to make the road a permanent and exclusive home for the Karters the Royal Court will have to determine whether the needs of the Karters over rides that of the general public.

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  24. There are more cover ups going on what about the consultant from AE who's been allegley moved up to Overdale for bullying staff the police chief having a acident on his motorbike and receiving words of advise from one of his officers ( what a joke) who going to go against him not even reported to a parish hall like anyone else

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    1. As well as alleged cover ups their are also rumours about the activities about certain people. I am aware of the rumours you have mentioned above, but being rumours is all they are. I don'd know who the consultant is nor which police chief as their are at least 13.

      If you have the details of the people concerned it might be worth asking the relevant Minister for clarification or to ask a States Member to ask questions in the States.

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  25. I heard so many things about DR EZIZA. and every story has been so great. so here is my story, me and the father of my son has been off and on for 3 years its been a very stressful relationship. he cheated on me and I was very hurt, it was miserable for me so in returned I cheated because I wanted him to feel the pain but he never cares so we went apart,he went back to his ex.i wanted him to leave her and let us come back together, I love him so much and I just want him to feel the same way i feel for him, lucky for me DR EZIZA was the one who brought my lover back to me, he is a good spell caster. his contact address is ezizaoguntemple@gmail.com or +2348058176289 you can still save your marriage if u really love your husband

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  26. BE CAREFUL HERE NOBODY CAN HELP YOU HERE OR EVEN SUGGEST HOW YOU CAN GET YOUR EX OR LOVE BACK,ANY TESTIMONIES OF MOST SPELL CASTER HERE MUST BE IGNORE.BECAUSE MOST OF THEM ARE SCAM I MEAN REAL SCAM WHICH I WAS A VICTIM AND I GOT RIPPED OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS BECAUSE I WAS SO ANXIOUS TO GET MY WIFE BACK AFTER SHE LEFT ME FOR OVER 2 YEARS WITH MY 7 YEARS OLD SON JERRY,I HAVE APPLIED TO 7 DIFFERENT SPELL CASTER HERE AND ALL TO NO AVAIL THEY ALL ASK FOR SAME THING SEND YOUR NAME YOUR EX NAME ADDRESS AND PICTURE PHONE NUMBER ETC WHICH I DID OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND MOST OF THEM WERE FROM WEST AFRICA UNTIL ISAW A POST ABOUT MAMA ANITA SPELL AND I DECIDED TO GAVE HER MY LAST TRAIL.SHE ASK ME FOUR THINGS MY REAL NAME,MY EX AND MY EX MOTHER NAME AND $180 AND SAID MY EX WILL COME BACK IN 24HOURS, I HAVE PAID OVER $3000 ON SPELL CASTING AND COURIER AND NOTHING HAVE WORK FOR ME AFTER 3 DAYS I WAS THINKING ABOUT HOW MUCH I HAVE LOST SO FAR SO I SAID LET ME GIVE HER A TRY SO I CALLED HER AGAIN AND SEND MY REAL NAME,MY EX AND MY EX MOTHER NAME AND THE $180 BECAUSE I SWEAR IT WAS MY LAST TRY SO I WAS WAITING AS SHE TOLD ME TO WAIT TILL NEXT DAY AND I COULD NOT SLEEP THAT NIGHT BECAUSE I REALLY LOVE MY WIFE AND WANT HER BACK AT 9PM THAT DAY I SAW MY WIFE ON LINE ON FACE BOOK AND SHE SAID HI AT FIRST I WAS SHOCK BECAUSE SHE NEVER TALK WITH ME FOR THE PAST A YEAR AND 9 MONTH NOW I DID NOT REPLY AGAIN SHE SAID ARE YOU THERE? I QUICKLY REPLY YES AND SHE SAID CAN WE SEE TOMORROW I SAID YES AND SHE WENT OFF-LINE I WAS CONFUSED I TRY TO CHAT HER AGAIN BUT SHE WAS NO MORE ON LINE I COULD NOT SLEEP THAT NIGHT AS I WAS WONDERING WHAT SHE IS GOING TO SAY, BY 7.AM THE NEXT MORNING SHE GAVE ME A MISS CALL I DECIDED NOT TO CALL BACK AS I WAS STILL ON SHOCK AGAIN SHE CALL AND I PICK SHE SAID CAN WE SEE AFTER WORK TODAY I SAID YES SO SHE END THE CALL IMMEDIATELY I GOT OFF WORK SHE CALL ME AND WE MEET AND NOW WE ARE BACK AGAIN I CALL MAMA ANITA THE NEXT DAY THANKING HER FOR WHAT SHE HAS DONE IN FACT I STILL CALL HER AND THANK HER AS MY LIFE WAS NOT COMPLETE WITHOUT MY WIFE PLEASE BE CAREFUL HERE I HAVE BEEN SCAM THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IF YOU WANT A TRUE LOVE SPELL THEN CONTACT MAMA ANITA (mama.anitatruelovespell@gmail.com)

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  27. Hello friends,my name is mich willians i want to give thanks to the great oyinbo who helped me allot in getting back my love and also helped me in my financial problem.i was in relationship with Gabriel both of us lived together in love and in happiness, suddenly she just work up one morning telling me that she is sick and tired of me i was so shocked and confused cause i never did anything wrong to her still i had to plead to her because i love her so much, but she still insisted to breakup with me, i tried all i could to get her back but it was not possible, after she left i was some how financially down i did not know what happened to my finance, so i decided to contact some spell casters which happens to be scams, i was frustrated then decided not to contact any spell caster again, one day i was watching a show when i saw a woman named Anna was giving testimony on how this great man named Dr oyinbo helped her in getting back her lover within 24 hours so that was how i decided to give a try and i contacted Dr oyinbo and told him about how she left me and my finance,the only thing he said was that i my lover will come back to me and my finance will come up again, that he is going to do all within 24 hours, so just decided to watch and see. in the next 24 hours which he said i got a call from her and she was pleading to me that she is very sorry for what she did to me, the most surprising thing was that the job i applied for in a company for almost 4 months, they just called and told me that i should come and start the work that am capable of doing the job, i was so surprised a tears of joy rolled down from my eyes,i was very very happy and she just came to my house and she started pleading to me, so i accepted her apology and now we are living happily together now, and am working in the company now am happy again. all thanks to Dr oyinbo for helping me and for making my dream to come through. for help and for appreciation you can contact Dr oyinbo through prophetoyinbojesus@yahoo.com

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