tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post9069077312405905644..comments2024-03-22T07:09:58.978+00:00Comments on Bob Hill Jersey Blog: Independent Jersey Care Inquiry (12)---- Culture of Concealment Reigns On.Bob Hillhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01834363721495974167noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-13958528499785457592015-09-11T16:26:45.494+01:002015-09-11T16:26:45.494+01:00Bob.
Statement from Chair of Jersey Child Abuse C...Bob.<br /><br />Statement from Chair of Jersey Child Abuse <a href="http://voiceforchildren.blogspot.com/2015/09/statement-from-francis-oldham-qc.html" rel="nofollow">COMMITTEE OF INQUIRY.</a>voiceforchildrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16825129148579102037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-1097019001935734522015-09-02T22:21:27.493+01:002015-09-02T22:21:27.493+01:00Stuart's blog (not his !) is back up.Stuart's blog (not his !) is back up.Pólóhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08661092894104384856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-1668185944736120042015-08-31T21:37:13.594+01:002015-08-31T21:37:13.594+01:00Stuart says on Twitter that the free-speech blog (...Stuart says on Twitter that the free-speech blog (which is not actually his) has had a glitch and it is expected to be sorted.Pólóhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08661092894104384856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-47945508977385099512015-08-31T20:00:47.034+01:002015-08-31T20:00:47.034+01:00Sorry but can't help you, but it might be just...Sorry but can't help you, but it might be just a coincidence.Bob Hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01834363721495974167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-53945734145229628102015-08-31T10:43:17.735+01:002015-08-31T10:43:17.735+01:00Linda Corby's blog went down for several days ...Linda Corby's blog went down for several days (maybe just due to a renewal issue).<br /><br />http://lcorby.com/2015/08/04/will-the-jersey-police-continue-to-cover-up-for-edward-heath/<br /><br />Now Ex.Health Minister Stuart Syvret's blog is showing the message:<br />"This Account Has Been Suspended"<br /><br />http://freespeechoffshore.nl/stuartsyvretblog/jack-straw-and-the-illegal-jersey-child-abuse-cover-up/<br /><br />On the UK scene there may be a co-ordinated rearguard action with convicted sadist.rent boy abuser and liar ex.MP Harvey Proctor issuing a statement and leaving the UK for an unspecified European country.<br /><br />www.exaronews.com/articles/5650/harvey-proctor-i-am-a-homosexual-i-am-not-a-murdererWhats going onnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-36949287090713178922015-08-29T21:05:15.219+01:002015-08-29T21:05:15.219+01:00Sadly, I doubt whether the requested Addendum will...Sadly, I doubt whether the requested Addendum will be lodged which supports your view about truth and integrity. Bob Hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01834363721495974167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-4512360143555322072015-08-29T12:54:20.654+01:002015-08-29T12:54:20.654+01:00http://ricosorda.blogspot.co.uk/2015/08/jersey-201...http://ricosorda.blogspot.co.uk/2015/08/jersey-2015-and-beyond-arbeit-macht.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-49509968848847832002015-08-29T10:45:43.725+01:002015-08-29T10:45:43.725+01:00The most worry aspect of all this to any " th...The most worry aspect of all this to any " thinking person " is that Mr Fox employed by the States, tries hard to justify the absent inclusion states decision P117 when he should be apologising saying this is an oversight and all states members will be fully informed.<br /><br />As you mention earlier though Bob, what is wrong with any of the older States members including ex Bailiff Bailhache, doing there job properly and naming the P117 as a benchmark decision which should be discussed and analysed before adopting any increases. Is the Government not supposed to be informed and fair ?<br /><br />This Government is getting worse if that is possible ? And the words truth and integrity are a distant memory for most of them that sit in the big house.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-12553173511073136702015-08-28T10:35:51.068+01:002015-08-28T10:35:51.068+01:00The Minister's Report in P94/2015 is indeed mo...The Minister's Report in P94/2015 is indeed most scant but now it is envisaged that the Rapporteur will inform Members during the debate of P117. That in my view is unsatisfactory. States Members are entitled to be properly informed well before the debate particularly when the information is available and should not be suddenly sprung on them during a debate..<br /><br />Mr Fox on behalf of the Ministers claims that information has not been withheld but states that the information will be revealed during the debate. That defies logic, if the information exists but will not be revealed until the debate then it must be being withheld.Bob Hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01834363721495974167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-83714287507395897452015-08-28T08:27:43.349+01:002015-08-28T08:27:43.349+01:00Well done for seeking the truth, a lesson for our ...Well done for seeking the truth, a lesson for our main stream media. Failing to lodge an Addendum will show contempt for the process and an admission that our Ministers don't give a damn for the public and States Members. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-19308432930967318292015-08-27T20:55:41.017+01:002015-08-27T20:55:41.017+01:00Not sure whether you mean the Ministers or the Inq...Not sure whether you mean the Ministers or the Inquiry?Bob Hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01834363721495974167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-44854256667804323812015-08-27T19:58:18.820+01:002015-08-27T19:58:18.820+01:00My response to Mr Fox was as follows,
Dear Mr Fox,...My response to Mr Fox was as follows,<br />Dear Mr Fox,<br />Thank you for your reply,<br />1 I note that the Ministers refute that information has been withheld and cannot agree with my analysis of States process.<br /><br />2 I also note that reference to my proposition will form a significant part of the Rapporteur's speech as justification must be offered to move away from a position that it set. No debate could be held without reference to it.<br /><br />3 You go on to state that it can not be inappropriate to ask the States to vary a past decision and that it will be for the States to weigh P117 in its consideration when it comes to a decision.<br /><br />4 You also make reference to the Greffier and Bailiff allowing the debate to progress.<br /><br />The following is my response;<br /><br />1. I have been around for many years and when reading reports it is often what is omitted that is of concern rather than what is included and P94 is a prime example of information withheld/omitted/concealed. P117 was approved in 2 parts, one to review the fee structure with the view to introducing a more equitable licensing structure. The second part which seems to be forgotten was that the findings had to be published before 1st August 2008 or before any further increases in licensing fees. However P94 conveniently withholds the reason for the freeze which we all know is because the provisions of P117 have not been met.<br /><br />If you are claiming not to be withholding information why have you withheld the facts above?<br /><br />2. You now conveniently state that the Rapporteur will be justifying the move away from what was a States decision. If there is nothing to conceal, why is there no reference to my P117 or better still a link to it so Members are fully acquainted of the facts well before the debate?.<br /><br />3 I agree that the States can be asked to vary a previous decision, but that is not what is being proposed because you are asking for an increase before the review has been conducted and an equable structure being in place.<br /><br />4. It is evident that there has been some discussion as to how you can get round the 2007 decision. I believe your solution compromises the Greffier and the Bailiff and in my view is unethical. I still believe that P94 is ultra vires because no rescindment is being sought.<br /><br />It is obvious that steps are being taken to find revenue to fill the black hole however it is incumbent on Ministers being up front with the public and States Members but that certainly can't be said of P94.<br /><br />If you wish to go ahead with P94 then I ask that an Addendum be lodged within the next 7 days setting out the facts above including the Rapporteur's justification for seeking the increase and a link to P117/2007<br /><br />I will be publishing this exchange of emails in my blog.<br />Regards,<br />Bob<br />F.J. (Bob) Hill, BEM<br /><br />Bob Hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01834363721495974167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-41622841454198551812015-08-27T19:48:10.616+01:002015-08-27T19:48:10.616+01:00Readers will have noted that I forwarding my Blog ...Readers will have noted that I forwarding my Blog to the relevant Ministers suggesting that their proposition be withdrawn.<br /><br />I have received a reply from Mr Nathan Fox who has replied on behalf of the Ministers. Because Comments are subject to limitation of words. I will publish Mr Fox's response here and my reply as the next Comment,<br /><br />Dear Mr Hill. <br /><br />Thank you for your email yesterday. I have been asked to respond with EDD’s position. You should be aware that Connétable Pallet, the Assistant Economic Development Minister is leading on this matter as the Minister himself is conflicted by virtue of his directorship of a licensed premises. He is the Ministerial representative on the Alcohol and Licensing Policy Group and signed the Ministerial Decision lodging P.94/2015. <br /><br />We refute any suggestion that that information is being withheld, and cannot agree with your analysis of States process. <br /><br />Your proposition P.117/2007 was, as you mention in your blog, discussed with stakeholders as part of the conversation about the planned fee increases. These discussions were an example of openness and transparency rather than being part of any ' Culture of Concealment'. P.117 was not mentioned in the brief report to the Regulations as this simply sets out what the effect of the fee increases will be. <br /><br />In order for this to be an attempt at concealing anything, as you suggest, the Ministers would have had to have believed that the debate could pass without any member of the Assembly or the public recalling and mentioning your proposition. This is completely unrealistic and was obviously not the case. Reference to your proposition will form a significant part of the rapporteur's speech, as justification must be offered to move away from the position that it set. No debate could be held without reference to it. <br /><br />In terms of the variation of a previous decision, it cannot logically be inappropriate to ask the States to vary a past position. If this was the case then, for example, laws could not be amended and rescindment propositions could not exist. The States is sovereign (in most respects) and has the right to vary any past decision it has made. The Assembly has the same right to make a decision on licence fee levels now as it had when it decided to freeze them, and will no doubt weigh P.117 in its consideration as it comes to a decision. It does not appear that the proposition to increase licence fees can be ‘ultra vires’ as the Greffier and the Bailiff have allowed it to progress to debate. <br /><br />Regards,<br />Nathan Fox<br />Strategy Manager Economic Development Department<br /><br />Bob Hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01834363721495974167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-1051963096556905462015-08-27T11:45:10.239+01:002015-08-27T11:45:10.239+01:00The typo could refer to Idiots and would fit quite...The typo could refer to Idiots and would fit quite aptly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-10747825719150422892015-08-26T14:04:29.354+01:002015-08-26T14:04:29.354+01:00Sadly, the COM has not only done nothing but is no...Sadly, the COM has not only done nothing but is now concealing the existence of the report and the States decision.Bob Hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01834363721495974167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-12990508031846424412015-08-26T13:57:22.427+01:002015-08-26T13:57:22.427+01:00Well spotted Phil and thank you, it is a typo. Wil...Well spotted Phil and thank you, it is a typo. Will make correct it now.Bob Hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01834363721495974167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-23219683626689918652015-08-26T13:19:19.654+01:002015-08-26T13:19:19.654+01:00Bob, you write:
'Sadly, the COI has not only d...Bob, you write:<br />'Sadly, the COI has not only done nothing but is now concealing the existence of the report and the States decision.'<br />Sorry but I don't understand. What has the COI not done and what report is it concealing. Or is this a typo which should read COM instead of COI philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13394660986946219947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-27103212108812692512015-08-26T08:55:39.828+01:002015-08-26T08:55:39.828+01:00The thread that runs through this fiasco and other...The thread that runs through this fiasco and others that Bob reports on with such great detail and fact is the total ineptitude and contempt that our Ministers and most States members display.<br />They seem to regularly judge everyone as having selective memories or on occasion total amnesia.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-79277975419249760602015-08-26T08:51:56.801+01:002015-08-26T08:51:56.801+01:00A good question, we shall have to wait to see what...A good question, we shall have to wait to see what transpires.Bob Hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01834363721495974167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-18620376012936819852015-08-26T08:42:58.423+01:002015-08-26T08:42:58.423+01:00If the States has agreed that there can be no incr...If the States has agreed that there can be no increase in the fees until a review has been conducted, how can the Bailiff allow the proposition to be lodged?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-10683355301571544472015-08-25T23:57:51.525+01:002015-08-25T23:57:51.525+01:00There are behaviours described here which are feat...There are behaviours described here which are featuring repeatedly in the abuse Inquiry. That is, those in power receive a well argued report, they agree to accept the findings and make the necessary changes.................then they do nothing. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-49248477485434938512015-08-25T21:32:37.580+01:002015-08-25T21:32:37.580+01:00:- ) Good luck with this.:- ) Good luck with this.Linda Corbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12368176186672646478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-53390096701059726542015-08-25T20:56:09.023+01:002015-08-25T20:56:09.023+01:00I note you have written to the relevant Ministers....I note you have written to the relevant Ministers. I hope you will let readers know of the response.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-25576198947515649592015-08-25T20:49:55.239+01:002015-08-25T20:49:55.239+01:00Yes it is and its the same lot that does not know ...Yes it is and its the same lot that does not know the difference between Budapest and Bucharest. Couldn't organise the proverbial in the Brewery. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-27524545597036114962015-08-25T16:52:52.712+01:002015-08-25T16:52:52.712+01:00Bob,
Is this the same Department that dished out £...Bob,<br />Is this the same Department that dished out £200k to a bogus film company? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com