tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post7477754569379140294..comments2024-03-22T07:09:58.978+00:00Comments on Bob Hill Jersey Blog: Jersey's Dean, Victory or Climb Down ????Bob Hillhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01834363721495974167noreply@blogger.comBlogger51125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-68593843396183330542013-05-14T09:57:59.793+01:002013-05-14T09:57:59.793+01:00Thank you for the link, have now read your new pos...Thank you for the link, have now read your new posting, well done with another well researched and informative Blog. <br /><br />You are correct, it is business as usual and no lessons have been learnt. Bob Hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01834363721495974167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-23537924380162811572013-05-13T07:42:02.547+01:002013-05-13T07:42:02.547+01:00Bob.
Business as usual..........THE JERSEY WAY.Bob.<br /><br />Business as usual..........<a href="http://voiceforchildren.blogspot.com/2013/05/business-as-usualthe-jersey-way.html" rel="nofollow">THE JERSEY WAY.</a>voiceforchildrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16825129148579102037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-15440675197377502652013-05-10T08:24:13.538+01:002013-05-10T08:24:13.538+01:00
Thank you for your comment, which unless substant...<br />Thank you for your comment, which unless substantiated is pure speculation. If you any evidence how ever slim, it might be worth contacting the Deputy Viscount at Morier House.<br />Bob Hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01834363721495974167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-54119616958605503542013-05-10T01:46:20.044+01:002013-05-10T01:46:20.044+01:00It is reported that the Honorary Police, carried o...It is reported that the Honorary Police, carried out an expert examination of the lotus using a consultant from the UK. I have a good memory but did not think to keep the article.<br /><br />Their report came to a different conclusion than the states uniformed police. I suggest Bob, you are in a good position to ask for a copy, in the public interest. If not then the main bullet points should be available, if not why not ?<br /><br />It would make interesting reading no doubt.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-16202120071251594112013-05-09T08:34:45.810+01:002013-05-09T08:34:45.810+01:00Look on the bright side, at least I am safe from t...Look on the bright side, at least I am safe from the Jersey way and the darkness in the churches there now. I am not safe from the wrath of the Diocese of Winchester though, which continued after I returned to the UK and continued to destroy me. HGAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-31358643667070025592013-05-09T07:15:55.151+01:002013-05-09T07:15:55.151+01:00You paint a sad picture on this our 68th Liberatio...You paint a sad picture on this our 68th Liberation Day; but sadly it does reflect some of the darker side of Jersey life. <br /><br />The quote about the cover up relating to the fatal car crash is not mine, but like so many other events one is left to wonder how courts return various verdicts and deliver sentences. The decision taken to Bind HG over to leave the Island is just another example. Bob Hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01834363721495974167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-35435774440387959732013-05-09T00:27:18.446+01:002013-05-09T00:27:18.446+01:00At its most basic the cover up might just be a mat...At its most basic the cover up might just be a matter of letting the wreckage be cleared up and spirited off without a proper technical investigation. <br />No Evidence + No Confession = No Conviction<br />"Simples"<br /><br />Or it may just have been unbelievably shoddy police work. Remember also that Dita did not die at the scene but (predictably?) died later in hospital - when a serious incident became very serious. <br /><br />Your sentence "If there was a cover-up it would have had to involve the States Police, Honorary Police, medical profession and many others" initially appears improbable but is not. We know what happens to whistleblowers on this island.<br /><br />Even the "successful" whistleblowers like Simon Belwood had their career ruined.<br /><br />Ex Health Minister Syvret was put thought the mill and even through prison and gagging orders.<br /><br />Even after these events and post HDLG we were shocked by the threatening letter to all staff that came from (golden handshake) Pollard Ref. Children's Services - I must dig that out.<br />It then transpired that Children's Services were still failing - serious case review + paedophile involvement + underfunding.<br /><br />There is so much else about the lotus crash that points to it involving a "favoured" individual.<br /><br />The Jersey Way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-55731527078762459072013-05-08T12:49:25.017+01:002013-05-08T12:49:25.017+01:00I am sorry that you went through it too nhs, it is...I am sorry that you went through it too nhs, it is terrible that things like this can happen in this day and age and that most people are powerless and helpless to do anything about it. HGAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-38103069632709216342013-05-08T12:14:34.967+01:002013-05-08T12:14:34.967+01:00Bob
You are right to publish the comment about the...Bob<br />You are right to publish the comment about the identity of HG and also the Lotus incident.<br />The HG issue is current and so I think we must, for the time being, allow the process to proceed. Although I suspect that there will once again be a less than full report on what actually happened.<br />As for the Lotus incident, I share the very real concerns about the whole thing. I live quite near the scene of the accident and saw the car a few hours afterwards. It was a total wreck and there was significant damage to the wall with which it collided. Everything pointed to a collision at a speed far in excess of 30 mph. I have only hearsay to go on but I have been told by people at the scene shortly after the accident that things were not as reported at the trial. If there was a cover-up it would have had to involve the States Police, Honorary Police, medical profession and many others. Is this impossible? I think not. Especially when one considers inferences as to the identity of the person who might be related to the driver. If there is any grain of truth in the allegations, then it is truly sickening but, I am afraid, not surprising unfortunately.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-62930271257716243222013-05-08T11:20:15.769+01:002013-05-08T11:20:15.769+01:00I pleaded what I was told to plead. I understood n...I pleaded what I was told to plead. I understood nothing except that the church who had not dealt with my complaint properly or taken it seriously had had me arrested and put away because I got angry and distressed at their terrible handling of the complaint.<br />HGAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-68518481003393318522013-05-08T10:04:15.053+01:002013-05-08T10:04:15.053+01:00Thank you for resubmitting your comments in keepin...Thank you for resubmitting your comments in keeping with the standard that I feel I can publish. <br /><br />There is very little in your comment that most reasonable people would disagree with. There are double standards and it is quite evident that there are inconsistencies in the examples you have given above.<br /><br />HG was unfairly treated; her only “crime” was that she claimed that some well connected person had abused her. The Dean has apologised for mistakes made in handling the complaint but saying sorry is not is just not good enough particularly when it is not personally expressed to the victim. However the matter is not concluded and it will be interesting to see the final Winchester Reports.<br /><br />There does appear to be inconsistencies in the fatal road crash, and one has to ask how Courts put a value on life? HG was locked up for two weeks because it was feared that she might have disrupted a church service. Although the Court records show that she pleaded guilty and agreed to be Bound Over to leave the Island for 3 years, she was effectively deported, left stranded and destitute in the UK.<br /><br />Yet someone whose driving caused the death of another young lady walks away with a £750 fine.<br /><br />You are well within your rights to ask questions but don’t hold your breath whilst waiting for truthful answers. <br />Bob Hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01834363721495974167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-39487757641634880282013-05-07T23:25:14.687+01:002013-05-07T23:25:14.687+01:00Still concerned that this may not quite reach your...Still concerned that this may not quite reach your exacting publication standards. <br />There are some things it is difficult to phrase in a nice way ............. here goes<br /><br />Hi Bob,<br /> <br />I see that as yet you have decided not to publish the comment I pasted in relating to the identity of the allegedly abusive churchwarden. <br /> <br />You probably already knew this information, and I understand that publication of it might need serious consideration.<br /> <br />Suffice to say; it appears that the identity of the alleged abuser would appear to by highly significant to the fact that the complainant/victim was fobbed off by the church and the Dean and then criminalised and deported when she refused to take it lying down. <br /> <br />......Oh to be a prince of the Establishment - even a rather lowly and not so young one. <br /> <br />I expect that there will be some significant blog postings before our "superclean dean" speaks on Liberation day. <br />It seems we were liberated from the Germans, but not from staunchly right wing nepotism and cronyism.<br /> <br /><br />I can't help thinking there are some (hopefully less tragic) parallels with the bizarre way this other incident panned out:<br />http://www.thisisjersey.com/news/2011/11/12/driver-enters-a-not-guilty-plea-over-death-crash/<br /> <br />RE the fatal Lotus Elise crash ........... Whose [allegedly illegitimate child] is he ?<br /> <br />The parents are left not really knowing how or why their daughter died or why she was judged to be of so little [relative] importance.<br /> <br />http://www.thisisjersey.com/news/2013/04/18/fatal-crash-well-never-be-told-the-whole-story/<br /> <br />£750 fine and the taxpayer paid his (considerable) costs. <br />Move along now; Nothing to see here .............. lets hush up this mess without a proper enquiry or evidence gathering.<br />Can a copy of the crash report be obtained on FOI or similar?<br />Can we find out who the lotus was registered to ?<br /> <br />Jersey is a place where it is all about who you are or who you come up against. Opposition politicians have huge amounts (probably millions including legal services) of money spent on investigating clerical oversights and blog postings.<br /> <br />So whose [allegedly illegitimate child] is he ?<br /><br />To be Frank, I think it might be someone rather high up, but who knows?<br />Or have I got this all out of proportion, and you, me, Syvret or the Pitmans could expect similar treatment - I think not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-19889313088206681382013-05-07T21:02:54.424+01:002013-05-07T21:02:54.424+01:00Will the reader who has sent me 3 comments about t...Will the reader who has sent me 3 comments about the identity of the Church Warden please note that I do not have a problem with publishing the comments, but if you are a regular you will have noted that when I publish my Blogs I do not use offensive words nor do I insult people who I might disagree with. I also maintain this standard when publishing comments.<br /><br />I would be happy to consider your comments if you could redraft them so offensive words and insults are removed.<br />Bob Hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01834363721495974167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-82458862695295602452013-05-04T19:50:06.956+01:002013-05-04T19:50:06.956+01:00Thank you for your concerns.
Life can be very har...Thank you for your concerns.<br /><br />Life can be very hard if you are an underdog in Jersey and regretfully neither you nor HG will be the last.Bob Hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01834363721495974167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-86263102671242976832013-05-03T21:18:05.777+01:002013-05-03T21:18:05.777+01:00How HG was treated is shameful, I went through si...How HG was treated is shameful, I went through similar without such a terrible outcome as HG, I cant help but feel this will not be the last case of this nature we will hear about. nhsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-61426077871038360852013-05-03T19:58:07.688+01:002013-05-03T19:58:07.688+01:00Thanks for your comment but I don't think you ...Thanks for your comment but I don't think you have read my Blog because the Dean HAS NOT made a full apology and one wonders why did not agree to co-operate fully at the outset.<br /><br />I do agree with your summary re being loved and then being so unloved that HG was effectively booted out of the Island without any means of support. <br /><br />Yes BEM stand for British Empire Medal and awarded to me in the 1991 New Year’s Honours List.<br /><br />As mentioned above I welcome all views and have yet to remove a comment some time after it has been published.<br />Bob Hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01834363721495974167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-31139899045226195592013-05-03T19:39:21.552+01:002013-05-03T19:39:21.552+01:00
I have no idea why the JEP removed your Comment; ...<br />I have no idea why the JEP removed your Comment; perhaps it gives dissenting voices a specified time to remain in its Comments column.<br /><br />I welcome all views and would certainly welcome comments from those people who think the Dean has been unfairly treated and to explain why. <br />Bob Hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01834363721495974167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-63589727619660869482013-05-03T16:45:02.247+01:002013-05-03T16:45:02.247+01:00Re. "The JEP is up to an assortment of it'...Re. "The JEP is up to an assortment of it's old tricks again"<br />My response to "Sanity" (above) WAS published, but then REMOVED by the JEP censors<br />www.thisisjersey.com/news/2013/04/28/dean-of-jersey-is-reinstated/#comment-279326<br /><br />SUBMITTED April 30, 2013 at 3:59 pm<br />TITLE: Manic Streetpreacher<br /><br /> <br />"I [too] am glad that the Dean has made a full apology". Shame he couldn't have made it two months ago; perhaps his "vanity and pride" stood in the way of his 'care for the vulnerable' ?<br /> <br />I an also glad the the Dean is going to "co-operate fully with an investigation" ........ THIS TIME<br /> <br />I too heard the sycophantic drivel on the radio, and in the context of "warmth, love and care" a phrase that was used was "loved like a daughter" ............ which really does not sit easily with the issue being about sexual misconduct.<br /> <br />The Jersey church representative seemed not to mention a few details. My understanding of the overview is that after being "loved" by Jersey's combined church and legal system, the young disabled woman was effectively deported to the UK, with a criminal record, no money and no provision for her immediate care.<br /> <br />Dumped on the street.<br /> <br />Feel the love.<br /> <br />Does the troublesome blogger you mention happen to have been awarded a 'British Empire Medal' ?<br /> <br />======================<br /><br />I noticed that some other comments critical of our "esteemed" Dean have been removed. <br />This JEP thread has been "clensed"<br />History has been re-writtenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-15081491440381488632013-05-03T16:43:45.939+01:002013-05-03T16:43:45.939+01:00The JEP is up to an assortment of it's old tri...The JEP is up to an assortment of it's old tricks again.<br /><br />I took the time to respond to the comment reproduced below.<br />My response (to follow) WAS published, but then REMOVED several days later<br /><br />"Sanity"s comment:<br />www.thisisjersey.com/news/2013/04/28/dean-of-jersey-is-reinstated/#comment-279326<br />April 29, 2013 at 12:53 pm<br />Saddened Parishioner – or as said on the radio this morning an instant where many people had done everything in their power to help. <br /><br />As this case has again highlighted there are far too many people on this Island who are prepared to take advantage of the vulnerable for political gain or to it simply as a weapon of spite towards others. Not every complaint is genuine and it is hard enough for the genuine complainant to come forward as it is without the certain knowledge that Blogland will be jumping in glee and joy. Also such actions simply lump the genuine in with the discredited so how do you think that makes the person feel?<br /><br />Maybe if the “saddened”, “concerned” and the rest of the “pretend” activists were as quick to help, find out the facts or simply to listen to a real victim they would quickly come to realise that they are the primary obstacle, not the “Oligarchy”, “Establishment”, “Corrupt Jurate” and the rest of the nonsense offered by those adding to and compounding the abusing of the vulnerable for their own personal, selfish gain.<br /><br />========================<br /><br /><br />"Sanity" seems to be a regular Neo-Con on the JEP Troll Zoo website. He qualifies as a Troll because here he is undermining the recent referendum here:<br /><br />http://www.thisisjersey.com/news/2013/04/12/campaigners-spell-out-the-reform-choices/#comment-270633<br />and at comments # 6, 8, 9, 16, & 17 all apparently pretending to be a rather manic and inarticulate “Option A” supporter in what appears to be a determined attempt to misrepresent and discredit option A.<br />"Sanity" AKA “Option A” is joined by the one man plague of RATs (Random Avatar Trolls), calling itself "Emma" on this occasion <br /><br />As if the referendum was not already deeply enough flawed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-56035377300759957142013-05-03T10:54:53.004+01:002013-05-03T10:54:53.004+01:00Thank you anonymous.
I understand that people have...Thank you anonymous.<br />I understand that people have different motivations for attending church.<br />Thank you for your candles and thoughts and prayers.<br />HGAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-85761556280598498272013-05-02T20:53:31.100+01:002013-05-02T20:53:31.100+01:00Dear HG, in life those who attend Church are in tw...Dear HG, in life those who attend Church are in two categories, 1) those who like to be seen. 2) and those who pray for the right reasons. I truly believe that God will decide on 1 and 2. I light a candle for you HG, I admire your courage and if the Dean and his friends had the integrity they also would have used their time in Church to be 2) and not 1). Godbless and take care. Your thoughts are with me and many others who also are those of us who pray for the right reasons. xAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-73720532693822836882013-05-02T15:39:44.085+01:002013-05-02T15:39:44.085+01:00Thank you for your comment. I had heard that some ...Thank you for your comment. I had heard that some members of the congregation were upset about the intrusion which was considered to be ill conceived. <br /><br />I would have hoped that the Church Warden was not the Dean’s friend because that raises other concerns which no doubt will be considered by the Investigators. <br /><br />“Hypocrisy seems an apt word.<br /><br />Bob Hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01834363721495974167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-23263946061840772232013-05-02T15:38:15.583+01:002013-05-02T15:38:15.583+01:00
Jersey is a peculiar Island with a number of anom...<br />Jersey is a peculiar Island with a number of anomalies which are outdated including the right of unelected States members to speak in the Chamber.<br /><br />One of the B option team’s reasons for retaining Connetables in the States was that it was evolutionary rather than a revolutionary, If that was the case then it was accepting that the B option was not fit for purpose, yet the public still voted for the B Option.<br /><br />Senator Bailhache has made an impact since his election, is it because of the gullible public and States Members or apathy?<br />Bob Hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01834363721495974167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-12742350558982339442013-05-02T15:08:11.396+01:002013-05-02T15:08:11.396+01:00Hi anonymous. Thank you for your comments.
I agre...Hi anonymous. Thank you for your comments.<br /> I agree that the Dean should not have been allowed to be involved further after I reported the matter to the Diocese because the Dean did have an obvious bias, but the Diocese didn't take that seriously and tried to make it out to not be the case, which was one of the things that enraged me.<br />In the end, what the church people have done wrong will be between them and God, even if they never face up to it on earth. That is what the Catholic church taught me since I converted to Catholicism.<br /> Some things are never put right on earth.<br />Please don't worry about me being exiled from Jersey, it is better for me to remain on the mainland even though I miss the island and the sea. <br />HGAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-12568121353896159782013-05-02T09:37:18.314+01:002013-05-02T09:37:18.314+01:00Dear Bob,
I send my compliments on the quality o...Dear Bob,<br /> <br />I send my compliments on the quality of your Blog where your well researched Blog reports on events as they are and not as certain people who would perceive them to be.<br /> <br />I am appalled at the audacity in which the Dean has been allowed to return to his normal duties as if nothing has really happened in the past. He is seen as the poor victim of the wicked Bishops who should be apologising to him for the discomfort he has suffered.<br /> <br />I have a friend who was present at the Town Church last Sunday to attend the weekly Communion Service. I am told that the Service turned into a circus whereby the Dean in all his finery took the Service and had invited the Governor, Bailiff, Chief Minister and Town Connetable along with their wives who were all present along with media.<br /> <br />The ordinary members of the congregation were not aware that the Dean and his friends along with the media would be present. The recording of the Service was grossly intrusive and was all about the Dean and his return but not about thanking God for his help and guidance for the past week.<br /> <br />The Dean has been welcomed back to fold but what about the lady who by the Dean’s admitted failure is now exiled from Jersey and still waiting for the apology which the Dean has publicly given.<br /> <br />The lady had made a complaint of abuse to the Dean in relation to a Church Warden who is the Dean’s friend. The Dean should have distanced himself from the complaint but the manner in which he mishandled the complaint has had serious consequences for the lady.<br /> <br />I hope the Dean and all those who have been so supportive of him will sleep comfortably in their beds. However I do hope that when saying their prayers they will really listen to what they are saying and will ask for forgiveness for their hypocrisy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com