tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post4349933649915676434..comments2024-03-22T07:09:58.978+00:00Comments on Bob Hill Jersey Blog: Jersey's Historical Abuse Inquiry--No Stone Left Unturned??Bob Hillhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01834363721495974167noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-88815551414101947802013-04-24T06:40:31.603+01:002013-04-24T06:40:31.603+01:00Fantastic post about painting.
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Put up the Audio of the whole COI Debate,...Hi Bob.<br /><br />Put up the Audio of the whole COI Debate, so its there for anyone to listen too in the years to come. You & your reader's can listen to it <a href="http://thejerseyway.blogspot.com/2013/03/the-committee-of-inquiry-into-child.html" rel="nofollow">HERE</a><br /><br />I can't get over the Dean of Jersey is as bad as a Abuser of Children & he Spock in this Debate. Un Bloody Believable.<br /><br />TJW.thejerseywayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02401815536804277436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-74086645891485322372013-03-06T23:00:51.900+00:002013-03-06T23:00:51.900+00:00Hi Bob.
Here's Two Speeches from today's ...Hi Bob.<br /><br />Here's Two Speeches from today's Debate Think they sum up the two camps, the ones that actually want the COI & the ones that want to carry on the Cover Up to save there own back's or there friends? <br /><br />You & your reader's can make up there own minds to who is on which side of the fence! <a href="http://thejerseyway.blogspot.com/2013/03/two-very-different-speeches-in-coi.html" rel="nofollow">HERE</a> But should I say one is a Constable so says it all really.<br /><br />You get back from your Holiday again Bob ?<br /><br />TJW.thejerseywayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02401815536804277436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-44837220635676082812013-03-05T23:23:32.162+00:002013-03-05T23:23:32.162+00:00Hi Bob.
Here we are again.
Just put up Questions...Hi Bob.<br /><br />Here we are again.<br /><br />Just put up Questions without Answers from this morning, You & your readers can Listen <a href="http://thejerseyway.blogspot.com/2013/03/questions-without-answers-050313.html" rel="nofollow">HERE</a><br /><br />TJW.thejerseywayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02401815536804277436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-42545442349395402632013-03-05T18:28:32.265+00:002013-03-05T18:28:32.265+00:00Bob.
Former Deputy Daniel Wimberley's letter ...Bob.<br /><br />Former Deputy Daniel Wimberley's letter to Ian Gorst looking at two sides of <a href="http://voiceforchildren.blogspot.com/2013/03/two-sides-to-story.html" rel="nofollow">THE STORY</a>voiceforchildrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16825129148579102037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-54269926302194708942013-03-04T11:26:06.220+00:002013-03-04T11:26:06.220+00:00Do you mean like ILM, when he could not understand...Do you mean like ILM, when he could not understand why Graham Power said he was conflicted in reviewing his suspension (Graham Power had lodged an official compliant about ILM), but when one person from a team was allegedly offered or applied for a job in the Jersey Police Force, he according to ILM was so grossly conflicted the whole report was rubbish.<br /><br />ILM in my opinion takes a selected view on conflicts of interest!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-15476676572177889622013-03-02T22:45:37.604+00:002013-03-02T22:45:37.604+00:00If 3 really wise and strong minded people are appo...If 3 really wise and strong minded people are appointed to the COI, and no stone is left unturned, will they be demonized and discredited after reporting on child abuse accurately? That is why I think all oversight has to come from outside, and why only the European Court on Human Rights can be trusted to provide enough help, and even that requires going through court appeals.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-49427142477590456042013-03-02T21:34:52.160+00:002013-03-02T21:34:52.160+00:00
It is not a dumb question and you are not the onl...<br />It is not a dumb question and you are not the only one that asks it. In many small communities and Jersey is no exception instead of there being a presumption of openness with a right to know it is the opposite, possibly for self preservation and personal advancement.<br /><br />There is also a naivety when it comes to conflicts, there are people who are giving advice and making decisions who appear to be oblivious, yet one asks how can it be? Surely as intelligent people they should know.<br /><br />We have to hope that 3 really wise and strong minded people are appointed to the COI and no stone will be left unturned. <br /><br />Bob Hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01834363721495974167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-42345048840321975362013-03-02T20:04:48.897+00:002013-03-02T20:04:48.897+00:00Is this a dumb question? Is it possible to have an...Is this a dumb question? Is it possible to have anyone take charge in Jersey's police, press, judiciary, who is not conflicted or tainted by pressure to produce a clean bill of health for the child abuse inquiry? I ask because those in power seem to effectively demonize or get rid of those honest individuals who do attain a position of influence. Have they not self-selected their cronies to the extent all with influence are now complicit, or bound by some obligation? I despair of any positive outcome without the overwhelming control being given to truly unbiased outsiders, as if that could ever happen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-45511765093948781562013-03-02T09:48:47.323+00:002013-03-02T09:48:47.323+00:00I hope that the States will support Deputy Tadier&...I hope that the States will support Deputy Tadier's amendment so that the COI can determine what to do with the files and how best to review them.<br /><br />It is pointless giving the COI a job to do and then deny them the tools to do it.Bob Hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01834363721495974167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-20243345595925223412013-03-02T08:27:53.479+00:002013-03-02T08:27:53.479+00:00I have so many fingers crossed, that this time Jer...I have so many fingers crossed, that this time Jersey will get this right! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-37995252381492848502013-03-02T08:27:19.095+00:002013-03-02T08:27:19.095+00:00Agreed, no Bedford Row what so ever! There would b...Agreed, no Bedford Row what so ever! There would be a huge conflict of interest, I also do not want Matthew Jowitt any where near the review and I will be making that fact very clear to Mr Gorst, we need a fresh pair of eyes not the same old people! It's the least Jersey can do, is get this right, this time!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-7536573464211949092013-03-01T22:38:23.865+00:002013-03-01T22:38:23.865+00:00You are correct, why deny the COI the tools to do ...You are correct, why deny the COI the tools to do their job?<br /><br />I would hope that there is no involvement with Bedford Row.Bob Hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01834363721495974167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-66767535465421180922013-03-01T22:34:21.202+00:002013-03-01T22:34:21.202+00:00Yes you are correct.Yes you are correct.Bob Hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01834363721495974167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-67534299553703878902013-03-01T22:19:41.899+00:002013-03-01T22:19:41.899+00:00How come the COI cannot choose who looks at the pr...How come the COI cannot choose who looks at the prosecution files!! what happened to Frank Walker's “no stone would be left unturned”?<br /><br />Surely the person to review them should be:-<br /><br />1) independent (ie: not from Bedford Row)<br />2) an expert in child abuse etc.. cases (unlike the Bedford Row chaps apparently)<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-21480116542121979512013-03-01T22:03:57.490+00:002013-03-01T22:03:57.490+00:00The Vote recorded is shown in my Blog above. There...The Vote recorded is shown in my Blog above. There were 11 States Members who voted against the amended P19/2011. 9 are still Members and will be voting next week.<br /><br />Senators Ozouf, Le Marquand, Maclean and Deputies Duhamel, Gorst and Pryke were the other Ministers.Bob Hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01834363721495974167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-20095803748241189322013-03-01T21:53:04.121+00:002013-03-01T21:53:04.121+00:00Thank you "Voice" for submitting the att...Thank you "Voice" for submitting the attachments which were lodged after this Blog was posted.<br /><br />Re the costs. Some how they are estimated to be in the region of £6m. One wonders why witnesses will require legal provision, what have they got to hide?<br /><br />Re the COM decision not to support Deputy Tadier's amendment. <br /><br />The decision is disappointing because without the amendment the COM is being prescriptive and it seems that even though it is anticipated that a lawyer will chair the committee he/she is already being undermined and not deemed fit to determine how the files will be examined.<br /><br />Interestingly as one can see in the attached Comments, the COM says that “This Amendment seeks to remove possible examination of prosecution files by an independent expert or experts in criminal law from outside Jersey. Instead such examination of prosecution files may be examined in a manner to be determined by the Committee. In essence, this may result in prosecution files being examined by the Committee itself, or some other person(s) of its choosing.” <br /><br />The COM is dead right but what is it afraid of, surely it should be for the Committee to determine how it wants to review the files and not to be told what to do with them? Who are the independent experts and why can’t the Committee be trusted to choose what to do what it thinks best? Who is pulling the COM’s strings? <br /><br />Bob Hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01834363721495974167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-63212273143167265092013-03-01T21:27:00.430+00:002013-03-01T21:27:00.430+00:00By my reading, 6 current ministers did not want th...By my reading, 6 current ministers did not want the COI to happen in the first place. It wasn't just two.<br /><br />http://www.statesassembly.gov.je/Pages/Votes.aspx?VotingId=395<br /><br />Gorst, Le Marquand, Pryke, Ozouf, Maclean, Duhamel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-49973036300884247272013-03-01T20:41:16.025+00:002013-03-01T20:41:16.025+00:00Your opinion must be a personal one because Willia...Your opinion must be a personal one because Williamson was called in to do a specific job which has set in train a number of improvements in the Health Department.<br /><br />I am not sure that he can be blamed for family x whose problems were more to do with deficiencies in the system and those with oversight for it.<br /><br />That said, I was surprised that he was engaged to give an opinion on the Verita Report because I did not think he had the specific qualifications to comment let alone make recommendations.<br />Bob Hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01834363721495974167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-80181819747825611952013-03-01T20:28:19.956+00:002013-03-01T20:28:19.956+00:00Hopefully, there will be no more delays.Hopefully, there will be no more delays.Bob Hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01834363721495974167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-48188345303560964692013-03-01T20:27:07.773+00:002013-03-01T20:27:07.773+00:00I shall be surprised and disappointed if the Propo...I shall be surprised and disappointed if the Proposition and all the amendments are not approved. <br />Those who oppose will have some explaining to do because P19/2011 as amended was approved by 37 votes 11. Bob Hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01834363721495974167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-43686687255515984712013-03-01T20:06:31.336+00:002013-03-01T20:06:31.336+00:00Bob,
Please can you remind us which two Minister...Bob, <br /><br />Please can you remind us which two Ministers voted against establishing a COI two years ago?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-82999438557558285262013-03-01T18:34:14.560+00:002013-03-01T18:34:14.560+00:00Bob.
Philip Ozouf on the COSTS
The Council of Mi...Bob.<br /><br />Philip Ozouf on the <a href="https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=gmail&attid=0.2&thid=13d2728ff177c2a4&mt=application/pdf&url=https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ui%3D2%26ik%3D9233b82545%26view%3Datt%26th%3D13d2728ff177c2a4%26attid%3D0.2%26disp%3Dsafe%26zw&sig=AHIEtbR0jUUFd9F4gc-9R_dmAVp694M22g" rel="nofollow">COSTS</a><br /><br />The Council of Ministers and that ever so nice Senator Le Gresley NOT supporting Montfort's <a href="https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=gmail&attid=0.3&thid=13d2728ff177c2a4&mt=application/pdf&url=https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ui%3D2%26ik%3D9233b82545%26view%3Datt%26th%3D13d2728ff177c2a4%26attid%3D0.3%26disp%3Dsafe%26zw&sig=AHIEtbSAeGywtQZaaC9nWFXOsZPq7KNg-A" rel="nofollow">AMENDMENT</a>voiceforchildrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16825129148579102037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-18146890629726838272013-03-01T17:11:55.868+00:002013-03-01T17:11:55.868+00:00Abuse that is happening now will be labelled "...Abuse that is happening now will be labelled "historic" in the years to come. With the local and UK (&....BBC &.....Belgian) experience it is difficult to conclude anything other than that many of the perpetrators are "untouchable".<br /><br />This will repeat and repeat and continue on a large scale until we stop accepting cover ups and "hatchet jobs" from the government and media and stop persecuting whistle-blowers.<br /><br />We all have a responsibility.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4596634218626697583.post-40437767079145560732013-03-01T16:56:13.514+00:002013-03-01T16:56:13.514+00:00Why on earth would they spend more money bringing ...Why on earth would they spend more money bringing Williamson in to second guess Verita ?<br /><br />Had Williamson not previously been employed by Perchard to give children's services a clean bill of health - only for it to then be revealed in the serious case review that "Family X were left pray to paedophiles for A DECADE" with ongoing costs running into millions ?<br /><br />Was Williamson a "cab for hire" consultants with a proven track record of producing "Our Chap" reports ?<br /><br />"Not worth the paper they are written on" springs to mind ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com